Search This Blog

Thursday, October 15, 2015

What Happens When You Challenge Climate Change True Believers On Their Own Turf

Yes, I got blocked, and in a hurry.

Scientists call for RICO prosecution of climate deniers. This tactic helped end big tobacco's denial of cancer.
The scientists point out that RICO threats were critical to ending big tobacco's program of denying the link between cancer and smoking.
David Strumfels's profile photo Sakari Maaranen's profile photo
Hide comments
Sep 28, 2015




 
Climate science has become  religion.
Sep 28, 2015





+Hugh Tauerner​ you wrote: "Climate science has become  religion."

Please elaborate to substantiate your claim. It appears to be blatantly false as stated. Be advised that I block trolls.
Sep 28, 2015





When those who disagree with the prevailing opinion (and science is not settled. Science is never settled.) are persecuted -- not getting their research published if it doesn't conform to the global warming mantra, not getting tenure for the same reason, and now being threatened with prosecution for not toeing the party line. That's no longer science. It's religion.
Sep 28, 2015





+Hugh Tauerner​ sorry, you failed the troll test.
Sep 29, 2015
+
1
2
1
 
It's long overdue. The oil and coal companies know their product is causing huge harm and are engaged in fraud to hide that harm.
Prosecute. 
Oct 1, 2015





No, this would simply stop all criticism of AGW/CC, fair or unfair, and put a chill on future researchers who'll fear prosecution if their findings don't agree with "accepted" science. Politically, it is also an admission that the climate science establishment needs protection from criticism because it can't stand up to it scientifically.
Oct 1, 2015
+
1
2
1

Rubbish +David Strumfels. Large scale public campaigning is different from publishing critical papers in scientific journals. You can publish peer-reviewed papers to criticize mainstream views, but you must not be allowed to run mass media propaganda campaigns based on fraudulent claims. The public must be informed with the best available science.
Oct 1, 2015





What large scale campaigns are you talking about?  I've never seen one and I keep a close eye on this subject.

And what of Michael Mann, who publishes his wild "research" before peer review, for obvious political reasons -- like just before the Paris summit?  Should he be prosecuted?  Of course not.

What about researchers who undergo peer review and publishing, but take a few bucks from oil companies?  Is this the large scale campaign you claim?
Oct 1, 2015
+
1
2
1

Clearly you did not read the article +David Strumfels​. I give you this one warning that I block trolls.

+Sakari Maaranen
You avoided my question.  As a matter of fact, I did read the article.  It falsely equates climate skepticism with the cancer data fraudulent cover up by the tobacco companies.  The equation is false because tobacco was hung by established factual studies (dead bodies) that demonstrated their product dangerous beyond doubt, and which their own scientific studies (which agreed) were shown to have been covered up.  But there are no established facts of climate change causing catastrophic effects over the planet, only hypothetical connections, or at most events that have alternatives hypotheses.

Knowledge of greenhouses gasses and that industrial CO2 could cause warming has been around since the 19'th century, and competent 1970s/1980s climate scientists both knew and some were communicating about the subject openly.  So we cannot prove in any court in the land that oil companies were covering up knowledge of the subject, when it was in fact open to every citizen interested in scientific knowledge.

I keep coming back to the same conclusion.  The threat of RICO prosecution would of course frighten and silence many climate critics, particularly ones who may have received any amount of oil funding, even indirectly, to whatever degree or for whatever purpose.  Needless to say, frightening critics is the only reasonable point.

Oh:  don't ever call me a troll and/or threaten to block me again.  Such cowardice could be hard to cover up.

Rejuvenation

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/w...